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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

Some people have to fake it to make it. Specially the ones that tell you it only takes 30 minutes a day.

Internet marketing takes months of hard work, burning the midnight oil.

Happy marketing all.

Albert.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Some people have to fake it to make it. Specially the ones that tell you it only takes 30 minutes a day.</p>
<p>Internet marketing takes months of hard work, burning the midnight oil.</p>
<p>Happy marketing all.</p>
<p>Albert.<br />
Save up to 50% on your fuel consumption.<br />
<a href="http://www.super-miling.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.super-miling.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robin Skeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Skeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, allow me to be British for a moment.  Good show!  

Totally agree.  

It&#039;s nice to know when someone IS actually making a living online but it&#039;s even nicer when they just tell me how to do it.  I do not begrudge anyone their success but I do not like arrogant bragging which is what is usually sounds like to me.  

By the way, ABOUT TIME YOU DID A BLOG FACELIFT!!!  MUCH better!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, allow me to be British for a moment.  Good show!  </p>
<p>Totally agree.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to know when someone IS actually making a living online but it&#8217;s even nicer when they just tell me how to do it.  I do not begrudge anyone their success but I do not like arrogant bragging which is what is usually sounds like to me.  </p>
<p>By the way, ABOUT TIME YOU DID A BLOG FACELIFT!!!  MUCH better!!</p>
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		<title>By: Valda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it a bit of a cheek when we are in the year 2008 and you see snap shots of income i.e. clickbank account for the year 2004.  What have those people not made anything since then (-:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it a bit of a cheek when we are in the year 2008 and you see snap shots of income i.e. clickbank account for the year 2004.  What have those people not made anything since then (-:</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan

Totally agree with your comments. If I see a salespage or recieve an email from anyone who claims to be on so much money, they&#039;ve got it coming out of their ears, I hit the unscribe button.

I don&#039;t like the &quot; look how much money I&#039;m earning approach &quot; and will not be using it in my marketing.

As always brilliant post Dan

Regards

Dawn Kay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan</p>
<p>Totally agree with your comments. If I see a salespage or recieve an email from anyone who claims to be on so much money, they&#8217;ve got it coming out of their ears, I hit the unscribe button.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the &#8221; look how much money I&#8217;m earning approach &#8221; and will not be using it in my marketing.</p>
<p>As always brilliant post Dan</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Dawn Kay</p>
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		<title>By: John Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeepers Dan, 
How you can say such critical things about these obviously loveable scrotbags .............????
I really have no idea, except you must be a Yorkshireman!!
I don&#039;t mind naming names as examples of hype - I have to admit that it was a while before I learned that the Justin Blake, Sebastian Foss, Rich Jerk, blah-blah-blah and many others (even the Foxes) were the types I just didn&#039;t trust to be sincere - EVEN IF THEY WERE!!!

I can say without any worries that I love to read mail from John Jonas and Jonathan Street, who both tear these &quot;No-Class, No Substance&quot; types to shreds!

For me the language is also just a tad TOOOOOOO down-market if there is just no attempt to use even proper American, never mind English!!
A whole string of &quot;Gotta-Gonna&quot; coming over like a bunch of Footie Supporters (who think a Result is a Win) just turns me right off.  I have to steel myself to continue if I believe the material will actually have some value.

Hey, but I&#039;m just &quot;Grumpy Old Man&quot; - what&#039;s your excuse?  Hahaha

Yours John

PS: Of course, I was trained to deliver orders in a clear, concise manner which all of my soldiers would understand (and act correctly upon).  I hope I succeeded without &quot;Hype-Shyte&quot;. And - though I once had a Batman I preferred to be honest and polish my own shoes and leather belts, he just drove me round in my staff car (would you believe it was an old Morris Minor Estate!!!??)
PPS: I don&#039;t believe Paula made a mistake, it&#039;s not in her nature - she probably meant &quot;here-here&quot;, may have been having a massage at the time perhaps?
PPPS: I&#039;m glad that I now know that Randy Rambles, don&#039;t we all (know that I mean) - when I first read something from him I thought it said &quot;Brambles&quot;, not &quot;Rambles&quot;  and I&#039;ve tended to think of him as Brer Rabbit ever since - Rambling away at all and sundry from the depths of his ole Briar Patch!!!!  It figures!!

Keep it up Dan - shoot-em down in flames mate - Hype-Shyte Shooting  ought to be an Olympic Event!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeepers Dan,<br />
How you can say such critical things about these obviously loveable scrotbags &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.????<br />
I really have no idea, except you must be a Yorkshireman!!<br />
I don&#8217;t mind naming names as examples of hype &#8211; I have to admit that it was a while before I learned that the Justin Blake, Sebastian Foss, Rich Jerk, blah-blah-blah and many others (even the Foxes) were the types I just didn&#8217;t trust to be sincere &#8211; EVEN IF THEY WERE!!!</p>
<p>I can say without any worries that I love to read mail from John Jonas and Jonathan Street, who both tear these &#8220;No-Class, No Substance&#8221; types to shreds!</p>
<p>For me the language is also just a tad TOOOOOOO down-market if there is just no attempt to use even proper American, never mind English!!<br />
A whole string of &#8220;Gotta-Gonna&#8221; coming over like a bunch of Footie Supporters (who think a Result is a Win) just turns me right off.  I have to steel myself to continue if I believe the material will actually have some value.</p>
<p>Hey, but I&#8217;m just &#8220;Grumpy Old Man&#8221; &#8211; what&#8217;s your excuse?  Hahaha</p>
<p>Yours John</p>
<p>PS: Of course, I was trained to deliver orders in a clear, concise manner which all of my soldiers would understand (and act correctly upon).  I hope I succeeded without &#8220;Hype-Shyte&#8221;. And &#8211; though I once had a Batman I preferred to be honest and polish my own shoes and leather belts, he just drove me round in my staff car (would you believe it was an old Morris Minor Estate!!!??)<br />
PPS: I don&#8217;t believe Paula made a mistake, it&#8217;s not in her nature &#8211; she probably meant &#8220;here-here&#8221;, may have been having a massage at the time perhaps?<br />
PPPS: I&#8217;m glad that I now know that Randy Rambles, don&#8217;t we all (know that I mean) &#8211; when I first read something from him I thought it said &#8220;Brambles&#8221;, not &#8220;Rambles&#8221;  and I&#8217;ve tended to think of him as Brer Rabbit ever since &#8211; Rambling away at all and sundry from the depths of his ole Briar Patch!!!!  It figures!!</p>
<p>Keep it up Dan &#8211; shoot-em down in flames mate &#8211; Hype-Shyte Shooting  ought to be an Olympic Event!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Annand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Annand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Brother !
Now if we can get someone to rant about pushing every new clickbank product as the best way for us to get rich...my own pet peeve . It would be nice if half of these guys would at least use the product first as you seem to do.
Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Brother !<br />
Now if we can get someone to rant about pushing every new clickbank product as the best way for us to get rich&#8230;my own pet peeve . It would be nice if half of these guys would at least use the product first as you seem to do.<br />
Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Google Dominator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Dominator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not alone Dan.

I&#039;ve seen so many salespages and read so many emails that just really bug me.  It seems like every other sentence has says something like &quot;I just bought a new ferrari, now I have 6!&quot; or &quot;Just got back from my $5 million vacation home next to the beach&quot;.

Like you said, proof is fine, but some marketers really overdo it.  I wouldn&#039;t complain if they simply showed me a screenshot of their paypal account, but NO, they have to show me their brand new luxury cars.

It&#039;s just something that really bugs me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not alone Dan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen so many salespages and read so many emails that just really bug me.  It seems like every other sentence has says something like &#8220;I just bought a new ferrari, now I have 6!&#8221; or &#8220;Just got back from my $5 million vacation home next to the beach&#8221;.</p>
<p>Like you said, proof is fine, but some marketers really overdo it.  I wouldn&#8217;t complain if they simply showed me a screenshot of their paypal account, but NO, they have to show me their brand new luxury cars.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just something that really bugs me too.</p>
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		<title>By: John Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a nice bit of synchronicity in this for me.  I was talking to a friend last night about the need for change in current marketing strategies.. and one of them was what you described.  The gist of the conversation was that  marketers sell hope to people who want to change their lives, but most don&#039;t do it with either honesty or integrity, and the telling of their own &quot;success&quot; stories is a case in point.  I put the word success in quotes because making money is only one aspect of achieving true success in life.

As I see it, marketing needs a healthy dose of both honesty and integrity, and far less hype and &quot;hypnotic&quot; mind control BS, and all it takes is an inner shift in how we approach things.  When we change our inner game from &quot;What can I get?&quot; to &quot;What can I give?&quot; we not only find the success we&#039;re looking for in our own lives, but we help others to obtain it as well.  It&#039;s called the Law Of Reciprocation.. and it works.

Most marketers only look at how much they can get, and never take into consideration the value they&#039;re giving.. nor their inner attitude with respect to what they&#039;re doing.  The result is that they market from fear and lack rather than abundance and giving.. and because they do, they tend to use mind control and emotional hot button techniques because they&#039;re afraid they won&#039;t survive or make money if they don&#039;t.  

Instead, they should be coming from an inner place of wanting to help others to succeed too, and doing it honestly and being real about it.  I&#039;ve found that people, including myself, respond much more to someone they trust and who is real than some guy who tries to ply money out of their wallet with all sorts of manipulative techniques.  When I come across these types anymore I unsubscribe from their list as quickly as possible.. and obviously don&#039;t buy their products.    

I&#039;ve done these same things in marketing, and discovered even as I was doing it that it just didn&#039;t feel right to me.. and finally I discovered why.  I was doing what everyone told me I should do to make money.. but it wasn&#039;t right.. not for me or for anyone else.  So now I&#039;m in the process of completely rewriting all of my websites to reflect what I already was; a real guy who wants to help other people succeed.
The best,
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a nice bit of synchronicity in this for me.  I was talking to a friend last night about the need for change in current marketing strategies.. and one of them was what you described.  The gist of the conversation was that  marketers sell hope to people who want to change their lives, but most don&#8217;t do it with either honesty or integrity, and the telling of their own &#8220;success&#8221; stories is a case in point.  I put the word success in quotes because making money is only one aspect of achieving true success in life.</p>
<p>As I see it, marketing needs a healthy dose of both honesty and integrity, and far less hype and &#8220;hypnotic&#8221; mind control BS, and all it takes is an inner shift in how we approach things.  When we change our inner game from &#8220;What can I get?&#8221; to &#8220;What can I give?&#8221; we not only find the success we&#8217;re looking for in our own lives, but we help others to obtain it as well.  It&#8217;s called the Law Of Reciprocation.. and it works.</p>
<p>Most marketers only look at how much they can get, and never take into consideration the value they&#8217;re giving.. nor their inner attitude with respect to what they&#8217;re doing.  The result is that they market from fear and lack rather than abundance and giving.. and because they do, they tend to use mind control and emotional hot button techniques because they&#8217;re afraid they won&#8217;t survive or make money if they don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Instead, they should be coming from an inner place of wanting to help others to succeed too, and doing it honestly and being real about it.  I&#8217;ve found that people, including myself, respond much more to someone they trust and who is real than some guy who tries to ply money out of their wallet with all sorts of manipulative techniques.  When I come across these types anymore I unsubscribe from their list as quickly as possible.. and obviously don&#8217;t buy their products.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done these same things in marketing, and discovered even as I was doing it that it just didn&#8217;t feel right to me.. and finally I discovered why.  I was doing what everyone told me I should do to make money.. but it wasn&#8217;t right.. not for me or for anyone else.  So now I&#8217;m in the process of completely rewriting all of my websites to reflect what I already was; a real guy who wants to help other people succeed.<br />
The best,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan..

Brilliant post..

I only brag about my income to Spud the cat and my sister-in-law  :)
She&#039;s a chartered accountant and of course I get her services for Free!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan..</p>
<p>Brilliant post..</p>
<p>I only brag about my income to Spud the cat and my sister-in-law  <img src='http://www.elpassoblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
She&#8217;s a chartered accountant and of course I get her services for Free!  <img src='http://www.elpassoblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan (el_passo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan (el_passo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot; I like to tally the amounts in their proof of earnings. I find many that don’t add up&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That reminds me of a sales page I saw once that had an &quot;Earnings&quot; screen shot from clickbank, the problem was that he&#039;d doctored the screen shot wrong. On one line there was something like $10,000, and on the line below it was $11,000 - the daft sod had forgot to alter the bar chart things next to the numbers, the $10,000 bar was actually longer than the $11,000 bar :-)

There was also a &quot;PayPal Earnings&quot; screen shot that I saw a while ago, all throughout the sales page the seller talked about how he was from the UK, yet his PayPal bank account withdrawls were all in USD $$....which i didn&#039;t think was possible with a UK PayPal account!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; I like to tally the amounts in their proof of earnings. I find many that don’t add up&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That reminds me of a sales page I saw once that had an &#8220;Earnings&#8221; screen shot from clickbank, the problem was that he&#8217;d doctored the screen shot wrong. On one line there was something like $10,000, and on the line below it was $11,000 &#8211; the daft sod had forgot to alter the bar chart things next to the numbers, the $10,000 bar was actually longer than the $11,000 bar <img src='http://www.elpassoblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There was also a &#8220;PayPal Earnings&#8221; screen shot that I saw a while ago, all throughout the sales page the seller talked about how he was from the UK, yet his PayPal bank account withdrawls were all in USD $$&#8230;.which i didn&#8217;t think was possible with a UK PayPal account!</p>
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