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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that from both the seller&#039;s and customer&#039;s point of view, an accurate tracking system for enquiries/correspondence would be most helpful. My main concern is that most sellers who change over to a &#039;HelpDesk&#039; system also state that they will no longer answer regular email enquiries.

Wouldn&#039;t it make more sense to offer the option to subscribers to use either reguar email or the HelpDesk? Surely a request to &quot;reference previous correspondence&quot; in the body of the email would be honoured by most people, for they too would want to be able to maintain the &#039;trail&#039; of correspondence. If someone didn&#039;t comply with that request when emailing, then the reply could be something along the lines of &quot;As you haven&#039;t supplied the original theme of your request I cannot refer back to it, so would you be so kind as to submit a HelpDesk ticket so that your request can be tracked and the situation resolved as quickly as possible - here is the link for the HelpDesk - I look forward to resolving this issue for you&quot;.

Just a thought!

Elaine

PS: I too have submitted a &#039;HelpDesk&#039; ticket and received what was obviously an automated replay saying my ticket had been received and I would hear back shortly - but never heard back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that from both the seller&#8217;s and customer&#8217;s point of view, an accurate tracking system for enquiries/correspondence would be most helpful. My main concern is that most sellers who change over to a &#8216;HelpDesk&#8217; system also state that they will no longer answer regular email enquiries.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to offer the option to subscribers to use either reguar email or the HelpDesk? Surely a request to &#8220;reference previous correspondence&#8221; in the body of the email would be honoured by most people, for they too would want to be able to maintain the &#8216;trail&#8217; of correspondence. If someone didn&#8217;t comply with that request when emailing, then the reply could be something along the lines of &#8220;As you haven&#8217;t supplied the original theme of your request I cannot refer back to it, so would you be so kind as to submit a HelpDesk ticket so that your request can be tracked and the situation resolved as quickly as possible &#8211; here is the link for the HelpDesk &#8211; I look forward to resolving this issue for you&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just a thought!</p>
<p>Elaine</p>
<p>PS: I too have submitted a &#8216;HelpDesk&#8217; ticket and received what was obviously an automated replay saying my ticket had been received and I would hear back shortly &#8211; but never heard back!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan (el_passo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan (el_passo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat - I don&#039;t like the sound of:

If the administrator has selected to approve new accounts you should recieve the outcome of your registration shortly

It sounds like the admin can pick and choose which customers to reply to! I have never seen that in a ticket system before, approving accounts before giving support.

The phone support can be annoying, although I&#039;ve had problems with UK based phone support as well, it isn&#039;t just the indian call centres. Last year when i called BT I was on hold for almost 30 mins waiting for an operator to pick up. Last week I needed to call BT and Sky phone support and both picked up after a few rings (after going through all of the push 1 for....etc) so it looks like standards are being raised.

Barney - It sounds like you have a lot of experience with help desk systems. Thanks for sharing them with everyone.

Sinita - I 100% agree with you. Nothing more to say :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &#8211; I don&#8217;t like the sound of:</p>
<p>If the administrator has selected to approve new accounts you should recieve the outcome of your registration shortly</p>
<p>It sounds like the admin can pick and choose which customers to reply to! I have never seen that in a ticket system before, approving accounts before giving support.</p>
<p>The phone support can be annoying, although I&#8217;ve had problems with UK based phone support as well, it isn&#8217;t just the indian call centres. Last year when i called BT I was on hold for almost 30 mins waiting for an operator to pick up. Last week I needed to call BT and Sky phone support and both picked up after a few rings (after going through all of the push 1 for&#8230;.etc) so it looks like standards are being raised.</p>
<p>Barney &#8211; It sounds like you have a lot of experience with help desk systems. Thanks for sharing them with everyone.</p>
<p>Sinita &#8211; I 100% agree with you. Nothing more to say <img src='http://www.elpassoblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sinita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it all boils down to - the help desk is only as good as the person/people running it. If you are good at answering your support emails, why on earth would you not be good at answering your support tickets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it all boils down to &#8211; the help desk is only as good as the person/people running it. If you are good at answering your support emails, why on earth would you not be good at answering your support tickets?</p>
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		<title>By: barney</title>
		<link>http://www.elpassoblog.com/to-helpdesk-or-not-to-helpdesk/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pros:
Issue/resolution tracking, by date, customer, product, etc.;
database/retention;
statistical capability;
standard format;
standard categories.

Cons:
more likely to be ignored than email;
another place to go look, to log in;
most don&#039;t key off email to provide other particulars;
most don&#039;t provide instant (e.g., email) record of problem;
perceived &#039;remoteness&#039;.

Those were the things we came up with when discussing help desk software at a department in MCI about a decade ago, after three months of research.  The phone help desk was being overwhelmed with calls, and this was thought to be a way to alleviate the traffic.  Idea was that all non-emergency items would be ticketed.

I ended up writing a web-based system with ASP &amp; SQL Server ... the field guys used it, but they didn&#039;t like it, and that last con was the reason.  They felt as though no one was dealing with their issues.  Wasn&#039;t the case, but that was the way they _felt_, ya know?

First change I had to make was to provide an instant email back to them *with their original text*, not just a ticket number.  2nd change was to key their personal data out of a personnel database, tied to their email.  After that it worked, kinda, sorta, but nobody ever really liked it.

Phone or email contact was felt to be much more personal; the ticketing system, to be remote, uncaring, insensitive.  Perceptual difference only, but that was what broke the back of that system within a year.  The ticketing system worked fine ... management loved it ... but they ended up expanding the phone desk in order to avoid a revolt of the field folk .

Worth thinknin&#039; &#039;bout.

Make a good day ...
... barn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pros:<br />
Issue/resolution tracking, by date, customer, product, etc.;<br />
database/retention;<br />
statistical capability;<br />
standard format;<br />
standard categories.</p>
<p>Cons:<br />
more likely to be ignored than email;<br />
another place to go look, to log in;<br />
most don&#8217;t key off email to provide other particulars;<br />
most don&#8217;t provide instant (e.g., email) record of problem;<br />
perceived &#8216;remoteness&#8217;.</p>
<p>Those were the things we came up with when discussing help desk software at a department in MCI about a decade ago, after three months of research.  The phone help desk was being overwhelmed with calls, and this was thought to be a way to alleviate the traffic.  Idea was that all non-emergency items would be ticketed.</p>
<p>I ended up writing a web-based system with ASP &amp; SQL Server &#8230; the field guys used it, but they didn&#8217;t like it, and that last con was the reason.  They felt as though no one was dealing with their issues.  Wasn&#8217;t the case, but that was the way they _felt_, ya know?</p>
<p>First change I had to make was to provide an instant email back to them *with their original text*, not just a ticket number.  2nd change was to key their personal data out of a personnel database, tied to their email.  After that it worked, kinda, sorta, but nobody ever really liked it.</p>
<p>Phone or email contact was felt to be much more personal; the ticketing system, to be remote, uncaring, insensitive.  Perceptual difference only, but that was what broke the back of that system within a year.  The ticketing system worked fine &#8230; management loved it &#8230; but they ended up expanding the phone desk in order to avoid a revolt of the field folk .</p>
<p>Worth thinknin&#8217; &#8217;bout.</p>
<p>Make a good day &#8230;<br />
&#8230; barn</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.elpassoblog.com/to-helpdesk-or-not-to-helpdesk/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One minute after I posted my rant above, I got this email message from a help desk ticket account I opened last night after clicking &quot;Contact Us.&quot;
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Thank you for registering to use the online help desk system, should 
you ever experience any difficulties please login and submit your request and a member of staff will assist you as soon as possible. If the administrator has selected to approve new accounts you should recieve the outcome of your registration shortly 
----------------------------

I wonder what that last sentence means...drives me crazy. I always thought that &quot;Contact US&quot; meant that you contacted someone, not some invisible robot...still cranky...Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One minute after I posted my rant above, I got this email message from a help desk ticket account I opened last night after clicking &#8220;Contact Us.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Thank you for registering to use the online help desk system, should<br />
you ever experience any difficulties please login and submit your request and a member of staff will assist you as soon as possible. If the administrator has selected to approve new accounts you should recieve the outcome of your registration shortly<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I wonder what that last sentence means&#8230;drives me crazy. I always thought that &#8220;Contact US&#8221; meant that you contacted someone, not some invisible robot&#8230;still cranky&#8230;Pat</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.elpassoblog.com/to-helpdesk-or-not-to-helpdesk/comment-page-1/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely detest &quot;ticket&quot; help desks. I much prefer email 
support and have always received superb service of varying 
types from you, Dan. I must say that you are always there 
when I needed help. I always have to say that you are not the
normal seller in the help question.

I&#039;ve filled out help tickets for many products and services that 
are promoted as &quot;top quality&quot; and are actually well known. A 
good number of them require opening an account, which 
always irritates me. If I buy a product, regardless of what it is,
I feel discounted when there is an invisible layer between me 
and the person who sold it to me.

I&#039;ve run into circle-jerks with the ticket syster...having to open 
an account, send that request and have to do the circle again and again. I won&#039;t even go into the help processes that have email
addresses that do not exist.

Another thing that sets my hair on fire is talking to a &quot;techie&quot; 
in India or someplace who has to put me on hold after every 
comment and then breathlessly come back on like he had to
run across the room to get a look at the error solution book
and run back to pick up the phone. I also cannot stand the 
endless apologies for putting me on hold and more than 
endless apologies for putting me on hold when he picked up
the phone again...makes the call last hours.

So, to end this rant...I prefer email contact, but wouldn&#039;t mind 
ticket systems that actually worked. I&#039;ve found few that do.
Yes, I woke up cranky this morning.

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely detest &#8220;ticket&#8221; help desks. I much prefer email<br />
support and have always received superb service of varying<br />
types from you, Dan. I must say that you are always there<br />
when I needed help. I always have to say that you are not the<br />
normal seller in the help question.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve filled out help tickets for many products and services that<br />
are promoted as &#8220;top quality&#8221; and are actually well known. A<br />
good number of them require opening an account, which<br />
always irritates me. If I buy a product, regardless of what it is,<br />
I feel discounted when there is an invisible layer between me<br />
and the person who sold it to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve run into circle-jerks with the ticket syster&#8230;having to open<br />
an account, send that request and have to do the circle again and again. I won&#8217;t even go into the help processes that have email<br />
addresses that do not exist.</p>
<p>Another thing that sets my hair on fire is talking to a &#8220;techie&#8221;<br />
in India or someplace who has to put me on hold after every<br />
comment and then breathlessly come back on like he had to<br />
run across the room to get a look at the error solution book<br />
and run back to pick up the phone. I also cannot stand the<br />
endless apologies for putting me on hold and more than<br />
endless apologies for putting me on hold when he picked up<br />
the phone again&#8230;makes the call last hours.</p>
<p>So, to end this rant&#8230;I prefer email contact, but wouldn&#8217;t mind<br />
ticket systems that actually worked. I&#8217;ve found few that do.<br />
Yes, I woke up cranky this morning.</p>
<p>Pat</p>
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		<title>By: Dan (el_passo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan (el_passo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kelly,

I have actually worked on one of those VIP Helpdesks before, they are surprisingly user friendly and as you said you don&#039;t need to log in to post a ticket!

I have been looking at this:

http://www.kayako.com/esupport.php

But the price is putting me off!

I also looked at Perl Desk but I don&#039;t like the fact they make you log in before you are able to submit a ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kelly,</p>
<p>I have actually worked on one of those VIP Helpdesks before, they are surprisingly user friendly and as you said you don&#8217;t need to log in to post a ticket!</p>
<p>I have been looking at this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kayako.com/esupport.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.kayako.com/esupport.php</a></p>
<p>But the price is putting me off!</p>
<p>I also looked at Perl Desk but I don&#8217;t like the fact they make you log in before you are able to submit a ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Ifrah</title>
		<link>http://www.elpassoblog.com/to-helpdesk-or-not-to-helpdesk/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Ifrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

I recently moved from e-mail support to helpdesk support as I have the same &#039;spam&#039; problems as you.

I asked my subscribers after a month if they had noticed the change and the responses I got were very positive as they have the same support as they had before, only now, as Sinita said, there is a log of all the &#039;toing and froing&#039; without it clogging up your e-mail client.

I also chose one that didn&#039;t ask people to log in as I found having to create yet another account scared people off when they had genuine problems.

I have a script for it if you are interested, you can contact my via my Helpdesk, located at http://helpdesk.kellyifrah.com. (lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I recently moved from e-mail support to helpdesk support as I have the same &#8216;spam&#8217; problems as you.</p>
<p>I asked my subscribers after a month if they had noticed the change and the responses I got were very positive as they have the same support as they had before, only now, as Sinita said, there is a log of all the &#8216;toing and froing&#8217; without it clogging up your e-mail client.</p>
<p>I also chose one that didn&#8217;t ask people to log in as I found having to create yet another account scared people off when they had genuine problems.</p>
<p>I have a script for it if you are interested, you can contact my via my Helpdesk, located at <a href="http://helpdesk.kellyifrah.com" rel="nofollow">http://helpdesk.kellyifrah.com</a>. (lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan (el_passo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan (el_passo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments so far.

Sinitta - I agree with you about the desks that require you to log in. I am not a fan but for some reason a lot of the one&#039;s I have looked at have this feature as standard :-(

Mieke - Can I ask which helpdesk system you wqent for?

Leroy - That sounds like a problem a lot of people were having in that warrior forum thread. It sounds like the person you were dealing with had some bad custromer service issues that need to be resolved -a business is nothing without the customers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments so far.</p>
<p>Sinitta &#8211; I agree with you about the desks that require you to log in. I am not a fan but for some reason a lot of the one&#8217;s I have looked at have this feature as standard <img src='http://www.elpassoblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mieke &#8211; Can I ask which helpdesk system you wqent for?</p>
<p>Leroy &#8211; That sounds like a problem a lot of people were having in that warrior forum thread. It sounds like the person you were dealing with had some bad custromer service issues that need to be resolved -a business is nothing without the customers!</p>
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		<title>By: LeRoy Martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeRoy Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experiences with helpdesks have not been good. I have an ebook written and I sent an email to this self described &#039;straight shooter&#039; with the subject matter and the number of pages etc. I was looking for help in getting this ebook published. They sent an acknowledgement and ticket number and that was the end of that. My followup email got dead silence. Months later I bought an ebook from this same person and it was not what i thought it was. I requested a refund and got an acknowledgement and ticket number. A week or so went by and I sent an email and mentioned the fact that I did not appreciate being ignored. I also mentioned the earlier problem and that maybe the only way to get an answer was to send it through one of their &#039;good buddies&#039;. Finally I got an answer stating that they did not know what happened and then they followed up with a refund.. 
This was my most memorable encounter with a help desk.
Generally speaking I have had better luck with email help and it has always been faster than helpdesks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experiences with helpdesks have not been good. I have an ebook written and I sent an email to this self described &#8216;straight shooter&#8217; with the subject matter and the number of pages etc. I was looking for help in getting this ebook published. They sent an acknowledgement and ticket number and that was the end of that. My followup email got dead silence. Months later I bought an ebook from this same person and it was not what i thought it was. I requested a refund and got an acknowledgement and ticket number. A week or so went by and I sent an email and mentioned the fact that I did not appreciate being ignored. I also mentioned the earlier problem and that maybe the only way to get an answer was to send it through one of their &#8216;good buddies&#8217;. Finally I got an answer stating that they did not know what happened and then they followed up with a refund..<br />
This was my most memorable encounter with a help desk.<br />
Generally speaking I have had better luck with email help and it has always been faster than helpdesks.</p>
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